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MyogiWarrior34 MyogiWarrior34

WOW... after reading all of your posts... I am fully amazed as to how COLORLESS is pretty bold and open to these sorts of things...

The problem, in my opinion, isn't on humans, period. But the notorious actions done by humans for a reason... let's take an example of the eco-field turned farmland... for a business venture at the expense of nature... new buildings for sales & commerce at the expense of nature...

well I could refer to more examples but my point is... it's what humans crave for that destroys the planet... and in my opinion... falls under one word: commerce. I agree on the fact though that humans save nature... but reality, not everyone is like that and there are more "commercialists" out there because of the introduction of well... money... that brought about greed and made rich men take advantage of wildlife for their own benefit, sacrificing it for a business venture... this is why i hate business & big-headed-world-known-businessmen... :/

Stormkun Stormkun

@Kirn
"Put people in extreme conditions - no electricity, shortage of food.. In the very first hour there will be rise in killings. And underage people would be the most violent btw. And in a few days we will get cannibalism too."

Do that pretty much any species of animal, about the same thing happens except instead of gun and sword it would be claw and fang.
Nature can be just as horrible as humans. But on the flip side, it can be wonderful.

Kirn Kirn

@Stormkun that is right. But on the other hand - we don't say that nature is good or evil, are we? If lion eats a human - it is nature, right?

But somehow we use this good/evil terms on humans. I just want to show that human that may be 'wonderful' will show all the animal 'horrible' traits in extreme conditions.

BohemianFallacy BohemianFallacy

@Shinsengumi.

The world wasn't just made for humans to live in, you know. There were many species before humans even came about, and it's not fair for all other animals to say that the world was "made for humans."

Just because humans hold superior intellect does not mean that our lives hold any more value than any other animal.

Also, as @MyogiWarrior34 stated...
The introduction of money is what brought about greed. The start of industrialization is what started pollution and material desire. Global warming, war, genocide, etc... None were caused by any other species but humans.

So while people like @LiA and @deng make good points, there truly more disgusting humans in the world than "good" ones.

I'm mainly on @Kirn's and that Lee guy's side here. Too bad that somebody with such great ideas got shot.

Akidzuki Akidzuki

@Stormkun Exactly, and people can be wonderful and horrible too. The world's not black and white.

I think it's meaningless to speak about the purpose of a planet, or the purpose of living. Life's just life, I think nobody could comprehend what it's about (sorry for the English ^^)

deng deng

@Lethn

I never said there is nothing out there. I say we can reach nothing of the supposedly existing inhabited/inhabitable planets/stars.
Therefore Space travel is not a suitable solution.

MyogiWarrior34 MyogiWarrior34

Lee had a good intention... only problem was... he took hostage the wrong people and i think due to a sure emotional attachment with nature... too attached... he speaked out his mind in a way that normal people would call as crazy... we get his idea... if only he expound on it further, letting ALMOST everyone know what he is trying to say.

AJ AJ

a good man.... but with a wrong action

Sushi Sushi

I am so not gonna read through 3 pages of walls of text.

Still, the guy's just a self righteous sociopath.

So what if he thinks humans should cease to exist so the world can survive? I don't really care about what happens to the world if there are no people around to actually be affected by it. I really couldn't care less. Wildlife will adapt eventually, that's all they're good for.

I'm curious about who the thread starter is comparing that guy to.

Takanashi Takanashi

@Sushi
Where's the fun in me saying who I'm comparing the guy to? :D

It was nice to see some sort of discussion though, aha.

  • 1 Year ago
  • #308175
  • Updated 2010-09-03 18:12:05
dullahan dullahan

@Shingengumi lol at the FMA refernce. I think I might have seen a Gurren Lagann reference in there too...

...plus the guy friggin used "WTF" in his demands...sorry, I can't take this guy serisously.

Deftones Deftones

Fuck it, Nothing lasts for ever no? That also counts for the earth, humans blah blah blah. So what we bring a faster end to life on earth.

Life will just start up somewhere else so who cares.

TL;DR: Nothing lasts forever so who cares.

  • 1 Year ago
  • #308237
  • Updated 2010-09-03 18:37:44
Nico Nico

It's funny because the Planet doesn't care.

=D

Kirn Kirn

I so love putting this things in the threads...

Warning - lots of bad language!

LiA LiA

I hate to dig this thread back up, but I've been out of town and I just felt like maybe I should say my final bit here...

-face palm-

And that's all that I think needs to be said. You guys really think there's more horrible people in the world than "good" ones? I think that you're wrong about the definition of "good". Good doesn't meant that, put in the most extreme conditions possible, a person wouldn't crack and give into their instincts. To me, a "good" person is someone who hasn't actively killed another person, or raped another person. Those extremities. And by that logic, yes, there ARE more good people in the world than bad.

There were only 5.5 murders per 100,000 inhabitants of the United States in 2004 alone. That's quite a few, but the murderer to innocent ratio is pretty off kilter, there. It seems a little extreme, to me, for you all to be saying you hate the human race. =/

In short: It disgusts me (I know that sounds strong, but it's true) that you guys would agree with such a lunatic. If you feel so negatively towards your own race, how about you go kill a few of your nieces, nephews, daughters, and sons and see how you feel about the human race then. The real tragedy here is that anyone agrees with this crazy asshole. I mean, I'm not trying to insult you guys, by any means, but...seriously? You do all realize that, by your logic, YOU'RE part of the problem? Or are you all so special that you feel excluded from the "filth of the human race"?

shane shane

@LiA so I am only a bad person if I go out and rape and kill other people? So, how about me going to your place, burning your home down, taking away the ones you love (just taking away, like having them work in a third world coal mine or whatever) - that still wouldn't make me a bad person, no? What about selling little children in your neighbourhood to whoever pays me most for it?

I could go on with stuff like that for hours, and by your definition I would still be a good person. That's great.
I also can't see how killing my own family would change my feeling towards the human race, like you said (and it also would me make a bad person, by your definition).

I know that by 'our' logic, we might end up as 'bad' people aswell (cause of environmental pollution or whatever), but in my opinion that is part of the human nature. So I won't make up any weird rules that make me feel like I am a good person, even if I'm not.

  • 1 Year ago
  • #314474
  • Updated 2010-09-07 08:07:33
Kirn Kirn

@LiA well, let me tell you that it is easy to crack your definition of "good". @shane already did a good job but I would like to bring it up a notch.

What would you say about soldiers? Those are people whos work it is to ACTIVELY KILL people to protect their country. Are they bad?
Even better. How about those countries where they sometimes kill people as a punishment? Suppose there is some totally evil mass-murderer who was sentenced to death. Are people who desided to kill him good? Are people who have to kill him by other peoples decision good?

Yep, I can have a lot of fun with this thing...

But anyways. People do not kill or rape or burn other peoples houses not because they are 'good'. They don't do it because they would be caught and sentenced to prison. That means that people who you consider good may only be 'good' because of law restrictions. But remove those... and let the good times roll.

And on the side note. You brough up family here thinking that it is something sacred-like for a person. Well, everyone who knows me here already knows that if I 100% knew that I would be able to pull this off and not be caught - I would kill ALL of my family members right now, including those who live in other cities. My reason? I would not want those bastards to make more people like them!
BUT! In real life I know that if you kill someone - chanses are good that police would catch you. So I live without actively killing people, raping anyone or even selling drugs to other people. Am I a good person?
FUCK NO! I am horrible and I know it! And I am proud of accepting that little fact about myself.

LiA LiA

Mmkaaay, I honestly don't think that I really required getting attacked for sharing my opinion, but I've come to find that that's how most of you are going to react, so whatever.

I never said that murder and rape were the ONLY things that made you bad person, just things to that caliber. That includes kidnapping, child trafficking, genocide, whatever else you guys could throw out there. Obviously morals are intricate, there are exceptions and rules have fuzzy lines. But that's not my overall point, and I think that what you all aren't getting is that my overall point ISN'T that I think everyone on earth is a perfect lovely, shiny person. Just that not everyone deserves to be exterminated just so our "beloved planet" can survive.

Call me selfish, but I find that humans are more important to me than fish. Sure, I hate pollution. I try to cut back on it myself in every possible way. But do I think that I need to get rid of everyone? No. Do I hate humanity? No. I'm just saying that I think it says something very bad about our generation that people are even thinking filth like this.

From now on I'll stick to game threads and the chat, because I'm really sick of dealing with this. I'm sure you'll pick one tiny point of everything I just said and tear it apart, but whatever. My point is, while I disagree with you guys, I would still protect you if someone were trying to wipe you out. I leave the judgement of the human race to God. Sorry if you're not religious, but I am, and that's all I'm going to say on the matter. If we're killing the planet, I'm sure the planet will kill us first.

Hennita Hennita

Hmm...



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